•Challenges Kumuyi, Olukoya on white garment churches
By Bashir Adefaka
Primate Elijah Babatunde Ayodele, Spiritual Leader of INRI Spiritual and
Evangelical Church, Oke-Afa, Isolo, Lagos, has been out of circulation for some time. He said it was because he has been busy putting together, Warnings to the Nations 2015/2016, and praying for Nigeria. Recall, recently, that he warned that President Muhammadu Buhari and the All Progressives Congress (APC) National Leader, Asiwaju Bola Tinubu, must not fight so that it would not affect the ruling party’s performance. He predicted the Sunday Oliseh’s ousting from the NFF. He foresaw that Buhari’s government would face challenges in its anti-corruption fight and that some states would collapse economically. In this interview, he speaks on the Kaduna State preaching bill among other issues.
You made some prophecies that came to pass, and they are the negative ones. What is the solution?
There are solutions. Like I said before, Buhari will face challenges in what he is doing. I said it before, he is facing it and I still say it now.
After the challenges, is there not going to be light at the end of the tunnel?
What Buhari has come to do is not to take Nigeria to the Promised Land but to pave the way for it to happen. He will lay the foundation for a new Nigeria.
Foundation for a new Nigeria?
Yes. A new Nigeria is coming. The area I am skeptical about is that if the law is not well planned, Nigeria may not be one again and we will then have a regional system of government whereby each region will operate on its own and I see a situation where different republics come out of Nigeria because we failed to find drastic solutions to our problems. May be there is security report to that effect or not, I don’t know.
You remember I said in one of my interviews in the past that Nigerians would buy fuel for N200, N250. Has it not come to pass now? It is the same thing I am saying now, many people may not believe. I said that some states would collapse economically and that Buhari would become President but that his government would be fluctuating.
Now, the solution is this, the prophets have to come together. There are differences between prophets and pastors. I have been taking steps for prophets to come together and pray for this nation through their anointing. The country needs prayers. What is happening now to the nation is more than the government can do alone.
Meanwhile, we have people who will criticize every good move. I have visited Primate Olabayo. Some people will say Primate Olabayo is not a prophet, but I say it to you that Primate Olabayo is a genuine prophet of God. He is a prophet and people have benefited from his prophetic endowment. I visited him on the 10th of April 2016 to tell him the way forward for Nigeria. We spoke at length on how to organize prayers for Nigeria because Buhari cannot do it alone. We need to move this country forward and we need people who can do it. Buhari can move Nigeria forward, he has the intention and mission, but he is surrounded by people who are not with him in his mission and he does not see it. We are going to do the prayers for Nigeria. Anybody who wants to participate can come in. By the time you get my church and other prophets I want to invite, we will have nothing less than 30,000 that will register for the prayer.
That is one of the ways forward that God said I should take and I have taken that step. I will move to the South South to bring together the prophets there for this same mission. You know that I don’t belong to CAN, Christian Association of Nigeria, PFN, Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria, or whatever because I don’t believe in their leadership. I don’t believe in what they stand for. This forum is not to form any association. So, this one I am going to do on my own, I am only taking steps as God directs me. President Buhari needs prayers. APC needs prayers because a lot is going to happen in that party that they will now see that they have some wrong people with them. They have too many wrong people there and 2019 is
not going to be as easy as we talk about it. Not that there will be no elections but there will be changes in the elections that will distinguish them from those of the past. Before the election in Benin Republic, I told the President of that country that the Egun people would not take it easy with him. He lost the election. So, now, as a prophet, God can send you to anywhere in the world and that was why the Ghanaian President must strive hard to win second term. I told Bukola Saraki that he should not take this CCT trial as a
joke. I told him, in my interview with you, that he could go to Appeal Court and from there to Supreme Court and that any court he went to would not stop it. And if you remove Saraki and APC does not put its house together properly, PDP will still become the Senate President and that will cause a lot of problems in the Senate.
Buhari will succeed in his anti-corruption fight but, at the end of the day, corruption will still hit his government because people who are corrupt and who are around him will be exposed.
You said that before but it has not happened. Is it still going to happen?
I said it and you will see it. Buhari has a good mind to rule this country. It is just like Jonathan had a good mind to rule this country but the people around him ruined his government. So, President Buhari is good but people around him will teach him lesson.
For him to now know how to act?
It is not that he doesn’t know how to act. There are things that will happen. You will see the scripts as they unfold. And Obasanjo and Buhari will fight. Buhari and Tinubu will fight.
Will the fights affect the progress of Nigeria?
We have a party coming up. Tinubu is a factor. He doesn’t need to fight with the President or any APC leader. Tinubu is a chosen one. And when Buhari fights him, fights Obasanjo and the Vice President, if care is not taken, another party will come out from the APC and the PDP.
But will Nigeria be better at the end of it all?
You have been asking this question and I have told you, for example, some ministers will be dropped and APC has to put its house together to avert problems because I see problems coming for the party. And the PDP should return to the founding fathers; the moment they cannot do that, there is no way forward.
That is to tell you that PDP has been dislodged spiritually. You know the APC broom is spiritual. So, PDP needs to seek divine intervention before they can come up. Although PDP will not take it easy in Edo, at the end of it all, they need to seek the face of the Lord. The few elections that have been held, it was for the PDP to test the ground. And some PDP governors will decamp to APC and what they are going to APC for is to cause problem for them. It is a warning to the APC.
I have said a lot. Kwara State governor has been accused of some wrong doing and some other governors will be equally accused. Remember I told you that former Chief of Defence Staff (Alex Badeh) would be in trouble. In the some vein, some governors are going to be in trouble and they will be of APC.
We will see a new Nigeria but Buhari will only take us close to it. There is nothing much that can be done but he will create the enabling environment for the emergence of a new Nigeria.
On Edo State in particular, you spoke about a politician who must not be supported by Governor Adams Oshiomhole and that person has replied indirectly saying winning election is not by the oracle or fake pastors. What is your response to that?
I am not going to respond to any politician’s tantrum.
You said he would give Oshiomhole and APC problems after election and something of such appears to have happened as he boasted that he is more popular than the governor and that he would need not his support to win an election…
These are political statements. I am not saying that he will not win but let’s wait and see. Anybody when attacking God by ridiculing His prophets, I have no reason to respond to him. I am above that. Whoever that person is, I am not interested. It is even a waste of time to respond to such politician
because doing so would mean you to have month diarrhea.
Since the issue of preaching bill by Kaduna State Governor Nasir el-Rufai started, you have not spoken, especially at a point Reverend Johnson asked him to stop the law or die and he replied that he should tell the exact day he would die. What is your reaction to that?
I don’t need to make any issue in what a man of God has said. My own is, let’s leave religion alone and see how to make peace. You don’t need to put in the paper that one should tell you when you will die.
A prophet does not need to respond to any politician because our politicians have mouth diarrhea. If you are responding to them, it means you don’t know what you are doing.
But as a major factor in the Lord’s vineyard, do you agree that no man of God should preach against some churches?
No man of God should preach against some churches.
It happens in many of those “Amen” churches; these new generation churches. They are the ones preaching against fellow churches. Imagine Olukoya, Kumuyi preaching against white garment churches. Are they the ones to judge? Do you have any heaven separately made for MFM or Deeper Life? That is where pastors are different from prophets.
Prophets don’t behave the way pastors are behaving because these are career pastors, they are not prophets. So, why must they be preaching against white garment churches? And these are the people who are closer to government.
To the best of my knowledge, I have not seen or heard Papa Adeboye doing that. But those that I have heard on tape saying it, I am responding to them now. If El-Rufai is doing anything on hate preaching, those who engage in that must be the first to be shown the red card! They represent their churches, they don’t represent God. They talk about their churches but not about God.